Wanted to clear up any misunderstanding

[khamaria]

conversation in kin chat last might have offended or up set people so i wanted to make it clear what my point was this time in a way i take my time and try to get the point accross

I want to first explain how I thought i kinship was so u can hopefull see where my points are comming from. I havnt read the booksbut i have seeen the films and from I am ablw to make out is a kinship is a small family of friends who work together as a single unit to explore the lands and free the world for evil. From this i see that we are together and belive that everything any of us needs we are all able to proved/help with.

As a raiding i full understand what this mean and also know that most you progress amazingly well for a long time i have no desire to be as hardcore as some of you or to push you out of a raid slot but with this being said there are a few places i would like to see and from i can tell you seem to do them for no reason as the rewards you all have but i will eplain what i mean later on.


I want to explain what i have seen and hopefully u can understand it for the way i mean it, i do not wish to offend or upset anyonein the slightest but when you see raids being cancelled and hearing you talk about why bother doing the watcher when all you get is the helmet and no one needs it you start think humm i could join that if i was needed or i could use that helmet. I would like to go to DN i would be lying if i said otherwise but i want to be a filler instead of a raid nbot going head becase u dont have enough people you have all worked way to hard to get your gear and wit hte release of SoM soon your time in ther raiding most nighjt its about to end and i have no intention of even thinking of trying to take away from you but i also have heard you talking aobut Radiance gear being important in SoM so obvicly i want to get a set just to help me level again

I said to a few people in /tell before i am planning for So when we can all level up and progrss as a unit again from new player to old, as i said before i have no interests in taking away your DN its not what i want its all yours but its better to be a filler if i am needed still on the understanding i dont get the loot.

now i hope that part is cleared up but some point i might not have got across inthe right i hope to explain now. It was mentioned that some of you have ther own deeds and professions to work on or there own alt etc and all i can say is this EXCELLENT say u doing a deeds weather i need them or not its something to do gives a bit of 1-1 time to get you better, its passes the time , you make csome cash from the crappy loots learn a bit more about the game i can go on for ever i would rather help some one grind some deeds that stand around doing nothing.

As far as pugs go i am going try to explain what i have seen happen so many times in the kin chat and that you mention its a pug and u get a lot no replys and clearly stating they wont join a pug. I agree why they dont wanna do it they dont want people not giving them a reapair bill and spending 3hrs getting no where but after seeing this consistnly not just when i have ask but many opthers you get the impression that pugs are fround upon but then again going back the whole kinship idea you shouldnt have to pug after all that appears to be the definision of a kin.


What helps 1 person helps the kin so if i need to spend a few hours farming so you can get food for a raid that not a problem i am happy to help in any way i can.


As a new player there is so much still to learn and i have a thirst to learn i want to run HM modes to learn from them to learn how to play with you, i want to understand you more and get to know you

in the hope that you understand what i ment more i would like to say sorry if did upset or offend but it was never my intention and incase i havnt and done more harm i will explain a little more about myslef in the hope u see where i am truly comming from.

I have a very complex life and this game is my only contact really with the outside world and yes i know your all thinking sad f**k*r get a life but its not a patten i can change unfortunally. My consists of 9 people including myself (excluding wife and son) my parents have heart probems, my grand and uncle both have cancer nad my sister is dying from Chrones desease. My wife was mentauly sexualy and physical abused in her past (now has Post Tramativ Stress Disorder) which casue my son to be born with Ceribal Palsy. I know you think eather i did it from saying my son but i have brought him up since he was 6m old and he is my son but he needs 24hour care of which the goverment pays me to do as his Carer. I wake up at 3pm and sleep at 9am. I get to sleep when he is at school and with my wife falling pregnant again i know take up the slack for her. once my son has gone to bed i watch a monitor and listen to his breathing incase he has an epileptic fit where if i dont give his medication in the right time can end up having an epilepic fit for up to 45 mins (more than 15 mins in good)

I have told you this not becase i want sympthy but in the hope u can understand me a person more i dont unfortunaly get the chance to leave the house for weeks at a time. The kinship means a lot to me and i want to get to you know if you notice once i joined the kin i didnt apply for full membership right away because i want to make sure you all was not serial killers etc i want to get to get know you you seem a very nice and tight bunch of people and as the new guy it sometimes overwhelming to try to get to know you but there a few people who i have chatted to and done stuff and fell accepted more.

I am hoping my point was made if not in a long way and i hope that knowing a little more about me will help you understand what i am trying to say it not always easy to fully explain my self in words and kin chat rolls so fast and takes so long to process at times i miss shouts out for invites but i hope this help you understand my points

[finn]

I either missed your converstion or was already offline when it took place, so I wont atempt to detract from or assume what was said by who.

I understand your real life commitments, as I am sure most people will and I understand and empathise with your particular circumstances and again, I will do my best to respect that and not detract from you in any way with it in mind. My first comment relates to that, and as I say, I am not going to detract from your situation at all because, at the end of the day we are mostly strangers who met online and in most cases (not in all cases), we don't know each other so we don't know in full each others histories, only that which we choose to tell. We all have RL commitments that mean we can't always focus on the game or be in the game, or we may not always want to be social and speak to/group with people to get some alone time.

Now, for the reason why I am replying:

Raids. Nobody is garaunteed a slot in a raid as we have too many player who want to go. All those who go ont he raids sign up on the DT raiding forum, have prepared their characters (alts included) by getting gear, grinding virtues and doing all those other little tasks to prepare for the runs. The thing that they did do, which can be considered most important is that they signed up for the raid on the DT raid forum. That is also how they earn DKP to enable them to get the top end gear and the experience that goes with it.

Join up and go if you can make the time mate, I do.

dtraid.mmoguildsites.com/

People go after they have got the "top end" gear because it's only fair (imo and in my case) that they go/make themselves available until those who helped them get their rewards. I certainly want to DN to get the rewards, and feel that if I get them all first, I should respect those who helped me by helping them. There is also the consideration of experience, its good to do these very hard instances with the right balance of experience, nobody likes failing and repair bills. That said, (imo) its also good to have new players go too so that they can gain both experience and DKP.

It is recommended that all those who haven't yet done the Wather or DN, that they ensure they max their chosen virtues to 10, atleast 8/9 minimum. They should also read the published tactics to familiarise themselves wtih the requirements of particular fights and stages. I my opinion though, these points are minor in comparison to VERBAL communications.

If we want the rewards, we have to have the right blend of experience, not just of the fights but classes and ability and leadership. For this to all be effective and for a modicum of sucess to be garaunteed the raid leader must be able to communicate effectively and if people dont have voice chat enabled, or temspeak installed and operating, then things become difficult. Experience players can't advise inexperienced players what to do/how to do it if one isn't on voice. Even if it's only for listening, you can enble voice or join team speak only to listen to the banter and ti hear instructions, there is no requirement to speak.

So in summary:
If you want to raid, sign up.
If you want to be reserve, sign up and say that you want to be reserve.
Ensure that your virtues are at the higher end of the scale (10 is best but 8/9 will be great).
Get the high end pots for morale, power, fear, poison etc.
Enable voice chat or instal Team Speak.
Do some research on the fights/instances on the DT forum and LOTR:o.EU forums.
If you have RL issues that will affect your sign up and atendance to a raid, sign up and state so in the calendar comments box, the rest of us do.
Raid spots are not garaunteed (class dependant) and are subject to DJ's final say.

It's my opinion only, and in no way an attack on anyone, but if you want the rewards, put in the effort. Don't make yourself a reserve, go get the experience AND rewards that come with attendance.

Edit:

Pugs aren't always that bad. Some people have had bad experiences in PUG's and are understandably reluctant to go. A PUG is like the lottery, some are good, others pure trash. With Kin, there is always the chance someone can bring a needed class or swop to one and you know exactly how many runs are required. Then there is the absence of intentional ninja's, so everyone gets a shot at something they want/need, unlike with a PUG. Can you imagine telling a PUG not to roll on ateal item because you want it, and them assenting to that? With kin, you might just get away with it There is also loot rules, I accepted a pug and the rule was need/greed, we needed on most then they greeded on a SA champ weapon and I needed and one of the pug got it (hope I got that the right way round). None of us needed it, but its the principle.

[Demonjay]

hmmm saw this thread just now....

wel im not a man of many words like fin
but i must say finn did explain it perfectly in his post

all i can add what already has been said is that i fully understand your living situation kham and i know its hard for u to come online at certain times when most of us are online

but like i said before , i know we are a bit raid focused atm
but we had a ruff spot a while ago on raiding and thnx to combined effort of the officers and kris making a handy raid site for the clan we managed to get the ball rolling again

with doing that we lost track a bit of the hm instances
not making events on the DT forum and planning anything for a while
this also is because Kristle is now more focused on making the raids
and our other event officer does not have the time to do it due to moving to a new place/house and starting school again
i know i could do it but allas i have some RL issues atm that im hardly online ( only at night) and i need the help of my friends/kin/officers to help me and each others out in my absence

and i know we did a couple HM and fun stuff with out any planning on the forum but just on the go at the mom when someone needed it
i can remember u came to a couple of those

and i know not every one has time or want to help out at times as they want to have some alone time in the game to do their thing like lvling a alt , grind deeds , farm stuff etc etc

but i can assure u this matter has been addressed in a officer meeting we had last time and we did not lose track of our lower lvl members and members that need a certain gear or jewelery

and thats why we are getting some new officers
atm Thrargall is our new event Officer and he will be making new events for the kin ( already very active on the job ) ---> Thrargalls first Event !!<----

so bare with us we are doing our best there is just so much we can do

on a side note :
i know u left the kin kham
last night ...im sry u left just because of the events where not up to standard at times wel as u can read above at my post u know why
but i get the feeling u left in a kind of a temper without even saying a good bye ....
sry u patience ran out and i hope we as a kin did not let u down..i feel guilty a bit that u left over a bit of gear that was not provided
wel i talked to u short after u left in tell
and my offer still stands if u ever need our help in game then just give a shout
u are a nice person kham and i wish u the best in life and in game
and if u ever decide to join DT again our door are always open for u m8