The Rift

[El Guildo]

I abandoned the Kin in the middle of the rift last night as my temper got the better of me.
I make no apologies although I am ashamed to have left, I should have dealt with my anger and carried on regardless.

It is only a game, I do know that, and I rarely lose my rag, but recently I have been, and it is a problem I will work on. It is nobody's fault but mine, I let myself get worked up.

Can I ask something of the Kin please, and this is a friendly request, as we are all friends here, and we all want to win the rift rewards and get the titles and just have an easier time having fun.

Can we all make sure we go to the rift with the full gear...

Brilliant or Glorious Edhelharn Tokens (Hope) x 2 (at least)

Food - two foods, one for a stat buff (for agility, might, will etc, whatever is best for your class as you think) and another food to provide morale and power every 300 seconds for 5 minutes which will help in a tight spot.

Wound Pots - Pure Healing Draught (wound), Pure Flask of Conhuith (fear), Pure Flask of Lhinestad (disease), Pure Milkthistle Draught (Poison).
Not sure which wound effects you get in the rift, I am sometimes to focused on the fight that I forget to glance at any wound effects I pick up (a big no no for me which I need to improve on) but even if you do not use them all, they are handy for other parts of the game. I take 20 of each, but I think 10 will suffice.

If you do forget to get some of this stuff, then do not worry, the kin will still help, but if you fail to bring all the needed kit, consistently, we will have to opt for someone else to go instead as sometimes people do miss out. If you mark upon the forum when Demonjay asks about the rift that you are going, we can compile a list of the people and classes we need and that should give you confirmation and ample time to collect the gear.

There are a few people who consistently take these items, and will happily share them out, but I think to many go without all these items. I myself have needed them, only because I could not afford them. We are all level 50 now and I think we should all farm for the money. Just go out, collect some hide, some ore, wood, sell the stuff on AH, just spend a 3 - 6 hours on a night in the week to do this and you will have the money for Friday and Sunday to help pay for the Rift. To cover repair bills and the cost of these items.

If you get ancient silver ore and beryls there are people in the kin that can make the hope for you. I am trying to level up a char to make hope and food and when I am at the right level I will happily make the stuff for you if required, if you get me the ingredients. If there are any Cooks or Jewellry crafters in the kin can you reply if you are able and willing to help with what is required for such stuff, thanks.

Can I also ask, and I hope people back me up on this, that if you know you are going to be having something to eat, perhaps you are running late, or you have company, anything that may prevent you from focusing for an hour or two on the rift, then please do not go. There are others that want to go that sometimes miss out. It is not fair on them or anyone else playing if you cannot give 100% focus.

It is just a game, but the kin gets so far so easily and always have trouble with the balrog. As a way of appreciation to the few that give so much that want to take down this rog (as they have tried since it was first introduced to the game) I would just ask we treat the balrog fight as a focused, team led event.

It would be nice to get all on Teamspeak so we can all talk and communicate which is vital in the rift, LOTRO chat is not very good.

If at any time you do not know what is going on just say.

And be aware that the rog fight will be explained by demonjay.
He will give out a list of people to pop hope,
He will give out a list of names for those to go to the right and left switch rooms.
He will say who pulls the final levers/switches,
and he will give instruction on the balrog fight, please listen, even if it means lowering the in-game sound so you can hear what he says

Thanks

[Demonjay]

first of all
yess it was not appropriate you leaving last night
i expect from all to stick with the group till we are done with the rift/instance or quest you started with a group
and if there are things stirring and people are out of line pls say so to me and i wil deal with it and they deserve to be kicked from the group
but we are all friends of each other damnit we are DT and we are supposed to talk about things that bother us

also about the hope,post,food,repair
i expect every one to bring hope tokens 2 of each yess
Brilliant and Glorious Edhelharn Tokens
best thing is to have a stack of each

also pots you need every pot i the game the ones Gareth/odin named up ar the ones to take with you
he can do every debuff in the game from poison to decease
and let me make this clear its NOT like a normal poison/wound/decease/fear
IF YOU DONT REMOVE THE POISON IN 10 SECS YOU WILL DIE
and there is not always a hunter fast enough or a lm fast enough to do it
you need to be sure to take care of your own debuffs if needed
yess we all try to remove it if we can hunters-poison , LM-wounds,decease , captains-Fear and keep buffs up

i know the rift does take some cash from you but you get a lot for in return to
we all need to farm for money and chip in to keep the group running
and like Gareth/odin says if you do have some ancient silver or beryls
me or lil or flowerdell can make hope for you or donate them for the rift group ( nice gesture , own free will) i can make them np at all

i need to farm each week for ancient silver and beryls to hand out hope that ridicules tbh...

so pls make sure you have your

-hope tokens Brilliant and Glorious Edhelharn Tokens at least 2 of each

-Pots,wounds/poison/decease/fear/moral and power

-Food lembas or blackberry tarts , blackberry tarts are cheap to make and have the same effect as lembas , provide some blackberries and a cook can make loads of them

-Repair your gear before you go in the rift

if you happen not to get enough money or have time to farm ofc we will help out
we all have RL things and dont always have enough time to do it
but pls do try if you can

i give my service as a GM jeweller and GM cook on Demonjay
if you need any thing crafted like hope or food

And yess i wil back up Gareth on this
if yo think you can not be concentrated or are distracted or can take the time to focus on the rift for about a 1 or 2 hours
then pls do not come and give others a chance of filling in that spot that can

ive been doing the rift since it was introduced people
ive lead 4 different kins in there and they all left me hanging after they knew the tactic how to do it their own....
i fought every boss including the rog so many time i lost count..
and i dont gain a gem or anything every time i go in there
i do it for you people for the kin to take it to the next lvl
only thing i want from you all is to back me up give it your best and focus and listen when we are in there

and not only me but others are like with us every week giving their 100% and sacrificing time from their weekends to be with the kin in there
even my wife knows now i rift every weekend and the kids know its dvd time

so pls try to respect that and think about it how
its a game yess but there are RL people behind those pixel toons that do it

also Lotro voice chat sucks!
after the last updat it got worse an people are very soft sometimes
ive got all my sounds turned down
music/combat/ambient only the voice is up an still i hardly hear people
we need voice chat to communicate with each other writing wil not do it because i need split second actions in the rift and cant wait till you wrote down what to do or what happened
so pls USE TEAM SPEAK
we got a raid channel there and the info you can get on the forum at

dtemplarsclan.proboards49.com/index.cgi?board=rules&action=display&thread=703

ask for the password at a officer or clan staff

i do my best to lead in there i explain it the best as i can
i even repeat my self i even repeat my self
i wil say what to do which team wil pull the switches and when to pop hope and who wil pop it
during the fight i give directions on how the fight is doing and little tips as we go trough
as much as i can but even i dont always see everything around me
i expect people to be sharp and say when thing are up or
happening

TEAMWORK

i cant do it alone people we need to do this together
and i know we can take him out people
we do the rift in 1 night easy
you are all great players lets earn that title

ty all for Reading this and i hope you see this post in a positive way to improve our gaming experience in there

[Lilandrael]

I offer my services as a GM Jeweller and GM Cook, I also have a GM Farmer on my alt so if people need blackberries for food, I can provide them. I have pleanty of gold so if people cannot afford their repair bills let me know - this isn't me giving away free gold for the sake of it, but if people truly cant afford their repair bills or pots then please speak up. There are a few people in the kin who have more money than what we really need and personally I do not mind spending it on kin members if it means it makes our lives easier when we're in the rift.

I've been doing my own bit, and have been asking the advice of flowerdell on how to improve my minstrel in the rift, when to use certain skills such as tale of battle etc because previously I only used Tale of Heroism right the way through. He is also advising me on how to get myself some better in combat power regen so I don't need to rely so much on the lore-masters. I will be farming for berlys and ancient silver ore this week, in between trying to decorate an apartment and getting a job, so forgive me if I'm not always around. However I will try and make myself a steady part of the rift group as much as I can.

I appologise for not being on Team Speak - I'm using a new computer and different headset and I've been so busy lately that it didn't cross my mind to download it, but I will be doing that today so you will be able to hear me curse once more

Anyway I agree with demon and gareth on this - we piss around way too much in the rift, it's about time that we focused and worked together. That's the only way we are going to defeat Thaurlach. I would also like to request something of scotty: In a fight or when other people are talking, please could you keep your own talking to a minimum. I'm not having a go at you but it can become quite distracting when we're in the middle of an important fight and you start talking about popping peoples cherries rofl. Please take that into consideration.

[El Guildo]

i think it was me who mentioned about popping cherries. hehe, i myself am not from blame from losing focus, and what i wrote is also a message to myself (maybe i am schizo).

[Cazza]

I would like to publicly apologize about what happened in rift on Sunday, my PC genuinely screwed up and kicked me to desktop just before we entered Rog room. I can assure u that being locked out the room had nothing to do with me not concentrating which was insinuated by a couple of people in game, i felt i had to hold back wen certain people were repeating to me over and over again about f**k**g up, i am mature enough to put my hands up and admit a mistake, end of the day am not going to argue with a 12year old on a computer game, and my PC is more than capable of running this game before the smart ass comments of get a new computer start.

Demon is rite in saying that we should appreciate the people who are giving up there weekend to do this because lets be honest it takes a good length of time. But i think i can safely say that 90% of people dedicate this time because they enjoy going and enjoy the social side to it as well, well i know i do. I don't think that i could go with a group thats just interested in getting gear and titles there a bonus, like if we don't get what we go in for or we have a bad nite then guess what we try again next week and have another good time being together.

I do agree we shouldn't be arsein about especially at harder parts of the rift but then again i don't see the harm in little one liners here and there, to an extent. Also i do find that there is a thin line between having a joke with each other and being disrespectful. We all say stuff that can be at times border line, I'm not picking on scotty but the guy has to remember that most people will have there PC where others around them may here whats being said like young kids, I'm not complaining about the swearing for f**k sake we all do it but sometimes he can be really aggressive in how he is swearing, I'm genuinely just thinking about others here I'm not bothered but i find it irritating wen he starts. I am agreeing with Odin but the times i feel we should cut the crap is wen demon is giving us orders or talking us through something I'm sure most of us can have a laugh and concentrate at the same time, at the end of the day its a game i go for to rift for one reason uz guys and the laughs we have wen we r all together, thats what appeals to me about the rift, end of the day i couldn't really care what gear my guy has i have only recently been improving him by getting really good gear so i can be more affective for ur guys sake.

I can see why Faye has canceled, theres parts of her statement i agree wit, like being lvl 50 has not had a great appeal to me, ye the rift is fun and am glad i can come along but apart from that and if the rift is going to have a more regimental approach then i cant see me sitting from 7:30 till the back of 12 if I'm not enjoying something. Al be honest i would find the rift really boring without the banter maybe thats cause i play a character that doesn't have a huge role i dint know. To be fair i enjoyed leveling alot more and if this is the way things are heading i think I'll be spending my time Doing that

I dont want this post to seem to formal but then isn't as heavy as the posts previous to this

[Lilandrael]

I am agreeing with Odin but the times i feel we should cut the crap is wen demon is giving us orders or talking us through something

I totally agree and that was the point I was trying to make in my own reply. Yeah having a laugh is the best part about the rift, personally it is the only reason why I go, and a lot of us sacrifice spending time with loved ones for this very reason. There needs to be a balance between piss arsing around and getting down to business. Too much seriousness and it will feel like a chore and will not be fun, but too many antics and it will feel like a waste of time.

I'm sure most of us in this kinship are mature enough to know when things have gone too far - I also think it is quite demeaning that if someone makes a small genuine mistake the raid (or a select few of the raid) start going mental. It certainly wouldnt make me feel like doing it all over again if I had been yelled at for making a mistake. So guys if it happens fair enough have a bit of a grumble, but get over it and we'll have another shot, otherwise we will loose good people over silly little things.

[El Guildo]

I feel like a complete tw*t over this. I do apologise, I do want to have fun and of course want people to have fun. I got annoyed. I am now in work drunk, having 3 pints in an hour is not professional and I love you all, as mates, nothing gay, and I hope we can just forget about my silly tantrum and work hard and play hard and etc etc.